[Sorrow]

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[Beasty]

@«SmG» Cloud And im not saying there should be no repercussions, I am simply asking you to look at it in a different light and see where he is coming from and you might think a ban is a bit much when you take into consideration all the times hes helped us when people here have made mistakes.

[«SmG» Cloud]

@Sorrow Lich didn't stand for multiclanning. The whole Lich fiasco happened a month prior, so not really.

Lich stood for his own opinions taking precedence over other's, and constantly reinforced this notion through blatently being manipulative.

Now, that may seem hypocritical since he is a mod at Smoke Gamers, his promotion was not of my input. However, while he still acts kind of whiny and annoying at times, it seems alot like he is trying to do better, and that is all I can ask of someone.

He did stand...it was by his input that the petition to unban Hiralis started.....and so on

@«SmG» Cloud, instead of denying what were saying, why don't you be lenient and unban X? Problem solved.

That's not being lenient its being called being soft and getting walked on. I honestly don't care about the sub forum information being leaked. I care about him breaking my trust. Its not what happened its the principle. That he doesn't have enough respect for me to break the rules I have made for this clan that I put my heart in soul into for the past 3-4 years.

[Kant]

Whatever the reason is posting private sub forum information publicly knowingly its highly against the rules rather than pming me or other admins doesn't seem like a great way to handle it either. It would have been better if he came to me and said what he had to say. He broke my trust like many others.

Lets talk about trust Cloud, something I think you know little to nothing about. Only using it to when it is your own advantage, and will some how benefit you in some way. You use others to benefit yourself using them to do everything you do not want to do. Only to turn around and mortify them when you don't like what they have to say, claiming they "Broke my trust". Going on to have them removed from trying to back themselves up or communicate with others that frequent these forums or servers. So I want to ask you what trust really means to you?

I know that at one point I had trusted you and thought that we were pretty close friends, doing late nights programming H2V mods together and all that shit. Only to have you go and hack into multiple accounts of mine from emails to forums, and attempt to get into my paypal and bank account. Only because I had taken a program that I had created for SmG clan to use and gave it to some one else. That was when I lost all conceivable respect and "Trust" for you, yet you come to me months later trying to play it off as "Old Stuff". Trying to convince me that you didn't mean it "That I was drunk", which seems to be a popular excuse for you for every situation you encounter.

Now after leaving the SmG scene for awhile I come back to see this once a fun and awesome community to hang out in, turn into a Neo-Nazi concentration camp for people who speak their own minds. Handing out bans left and right to anyone who feels the need to disagree with anyone that has some speck of power around here. It makes me sick that you let this place turn into a New MonstrNoose, every topic that I go around and look in recently. Has either been moved, locked, or deleted entirely with whomever posted it banned or shamed on forums.

Just my input on all this stupid shit.

[Beasty]

Why are you afraid of getting walked on if he is your friend? I don't understand, you plan to combat his anger about strict rules with more strict rules? Fighting fire with fire only gets you burned. I understand you drew the line in the sand where you can and can't cross, but have you ever considered that people have been trying to tell you all along you drew the line where it traps others?

If he had no respect for you he wouldn't have told you why he was upset in the first place, Cloud. Thats a cop out for having to be a friend and talk/work on what is bothering him.

[«SmG» Cloud]

Whatever the reason is posting private sub forum information publicly knowingly its highly against the rules rather than pming me or other admins doesn't seem like a great way to handle it either. It would have been better if he came to me and said what he had to say. He broke my trust like many others.

Lets talk about trust Cloud, something I think you know little to nothing about. Only using it to when it is your own advantage, and will some how benefit you in some way. You use others to benefit yourself using them to do everything you do not want to do. Only to turn around and mortify them when you don't like what they have to say, claiming they "Broke my trust". Going on to have them removed from trying to back themselves up or communicate with others that frequent these forums or servers. So I want to ask you what trust really means to you?

I know that at one point I had trusted you and thought that we were pretty close friends, doing late nights programming H2V mods together and all that crap. Only to have you go and hack into multiple accounts of mine from emails to forums, and attempt to get into my paypal and bank account. Only because I had taken a program that I had created for SmG clan to use and gave it to some one else. That was when I lost all conceivable respect and "Trust" for you, yet you come to me months later trying to play it off as "Old Stuff". Trying to convince me that you didn't mean it "That I was drunk", which seems to be a popular excuse for you for every situation you encounter.

Now after leaving the SmG scene for awhile I come back to see this once a fun and awesome community to hang out in, turn into a Neo-Nazi concentration camp for people who speak their own minds. Handing out bans left and right to anyone who feels the need to disagree with anyone that has some speck of power around here. It makes me sick that you let this place turn into a New MonstrNoose, every topic that I go around and look in recently. Has either been moved, locked, or deleted entirely with whomever posted it banned or shamed on forums.

Just my input on all this stupid crap.

I have already talked to you about this numerous times. But you have your own opinion. But to be honest this has nothing to do with X which is the topic at hand.

[SmG Phoenix]

Get on ts, talk there. If this gets spammed more, it will be locked.

[«SmG» Cloud]

Why are you afraid of getting walked on if he is your friend? I don't understand, you plan to combat his anger about strict rules with more strict rules? Fighting fire with fire only gets you burned. I understand you drew the line in the sand where you can and can't cross, but have you ever considered that people have been trying to tell you all along you drew the line where it traps others?

If he had no respect for you he wouldn't have told you why he was upset in the first place, Cloud. Thats a cop out for having to be a friend and talk/work on what is bothering him.

He never told me he was upset. He just posted on another forum some where about SmG and I hear about it from other people.

[SmG Psych]

Get on ts, talk there. If this gets spammed more, it will be locked.

We have already discussed this and we drew to the conclusion to openly discuss any and all matters here, cloud approved. So no it will not be locked.

[Kant]

Pheonix, there is no reason to lock a topic that is "on-topic". Telling them to get on teamspeak itself is "spam" and "offtopic"