[Beasty]

It wasn't my fault.

I was simply trying to convey the hard truth that moral relativism is the only rational solution to the question of what "good" and "bad" means.

[RockerJ]

Moral Relativism cannot decide morals. In fact, it is impossible for Moral Relativism to exist. You may believe one thing at one time and then change later. Therefore, every time a decision needs to be made, you must change your morals depending on the situation. So, in essence, Moral Relativism is a load of steaming bullshit.

[Beasty]

What the fuck are you talking about lol? Do you know what moral relativism is? Because you're actually describing it in your post, not refuting it.

That's the entire point, is that there is no objective standard for measuring an objective morality, and therefore the claim that there is one is a rediculous notion.

It also goes hand in hand with cognitive relativism, which replaces morality with fact (or absolute fact, anyways). Although it existed before it, it is sort of an extension of Hawking's Model-Dependant Realism, which states that absolute certainty is impossible (by the mere fact that you can question your own certainty), and that the only thing that matters is the data created through the scope of the model's frame of reference. Replace the model with individualized perspective of the world around it and you have a more accurate interpretation of what truth actually entails.

Of course there are likely social ramifications for such realizations, hence it's widespread rejection from the average populace, but this is more of a sociological manifestation of human desires for a working social system- something that should be subservient to the acquisition of knowledge.

[Rebel]

+1 for Marxism though.

[Beasty]

Honestly Jeff, I'm pretty curious as to why you approve of Marxism.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying I've never heard your reasoning.

[Rebel]

Because Che Guevara was a Marxist-Leninist and I am in love with Che Guevara... But seriously; Che is my hero. (I do have more of an explanation but I have to go eat supper now...)

[Beasty]

Why is che your hero?

[Rebel]

After reading all of his books and reading his bios and historical articles he just seems like a... I can't find the word right now but I'll find it later.

[Beasty]

Well, he was also a wealthy, sociopathic executioner for Castro, who then sold him out when he started trash talking the very Soviets who were subsidizing the Castro regime in it's early years.

I mean, I get nobodies perfect, but....

[SmG Battlefire]

Wow, at this rate all the threads will be moved to Off topic.